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- Q : Krishna, what about Lee Lozowick ?
Lee Lozowick is an American spiritual teacher. He is a devotee,
let us say a disciple of Yogi Ramsuratkumar.
That's all.
Some time ago, some hard words from this stupid Krishna could
be read on this WEB site concerning Lee. This was some 'organic
reaction', the same as, when the body knows some indigestion,
it has to vomit. This also was a way to ask Lee to stop the game
he was playing since so long. Now, let us remove some of these
words, they have become useless and unimportant. Since long I
hoped that Lee and i could have links to work for the same goal,
as Yogiji wanted.
Because what i know is what Yogiji said : "Lee and Krishna
are doing my Father's work." Then, what's the use for
one of them to confront the other one? Let us do Father's work.
And i never wanted to confront anybody. i'm in fraternal terms
with all Yogiji's devotees. Yogiji didn't want that his devotees
fight each other. But look at this …
Since these words were put on the Internet, i came to India (Nov.-Dec.
2007), here and there, and particularly to Tiruvannamalai, and
heard things i did not know. From them, i could understand better
this surprising behavior.
Surprising because this behavior didn't appear in one day. In
1994, the relation between Lee and me was really fine, really
good. Even in March 1995, Lee sent me two pictures, one together
with our Father, the second one with he and i. And it is like
this that this Krishna would want us to be always, even now. However,
afterwards, in 1995, and i don't know why, i felt some distance
from him and his students towards me. Each of us stayed apart,
as Lee was always in a group with his students, which was totally
normal. But this distance took such a proportion that one day,
in 1996, at the beginning of a darshan, our Father asked us to
come to Him and told us : "Go and sit there, and speak
together, of anything, but speak!", and, during the days
when Lee was there, He always put us together during darshans,
and this every year. So, you can see how much He wanted us to
work parallel.
Now, what i learnt some days ago is that, in 1995, when M. was
still with Lee, the latter told his students : " don't
meet with this Krishna, he is a bad guy." I was told
even more : "this Krishna married a Hindu girl for having
a slave at home." Things like this. When hearing such
things, for sure i was dumbfounded… They just did not know
me! I had to understand the reason of this… M. told me :
'Lee hated you." I asked why. "Because Yogi
loved you!' - 'But Yogiji loved everyone!' - Krishna, it is like
this … It is true that, in 1995, Yogiji always took this
Krishna by His side, everyday, at every darshan. So, is it for
this that this behavior appeared?
So, now, i understand better why they were so distant (smile).
But i could not understand this hatred because Yogiji loved me!
Only the opposite could be understandable. Do you think that the
Sun makes a difference and does not send his rays in the same
way for everyone?… Yogiji loved everybody! He was Love! I
was not fighting, never, i even never thought of doing so i just
received blows in the back, never directly and i didn't know.
Why to fight? This, i don't understand. But now, what i wish is
just to correct what is wrong. Krishna doesn't matter, Yogi Ramsuratkumar's
Name matters!
Once, Lee visited me when i was still living in France. I did
not know that it was at Yogiji's request. I just learned this
during this last trip, some 15 days ago, i tell you the ways it
was told to me : After landing in France, Lee told M. : 'Now,
we will go and see Krishna'. M. could not understand this
: - But, you dislike him so much! - Yogi Ramsuratkumar asked
me to go and meet him.' When Lee arrived in our village, my
wife (you know, the Indian slave … who got darshan of Yogiji
in 1990 and received His blessing at Sannadhi street house) and
me did our best to receive him the best way we could. And, to
show that we had to work together, i even meet him in Paris some
days later, telling him the same. But, afterwards, I did not get
any news from him. I just met him in Tiruvannamalai every year
at Jayanti time.
Some years later, again at Yogiji's request, Lee visited me in
Mauritius. This Krishna did his best to receive him in the best
way he could. He brought good musicians from Chitrakut and organized
a Ramnam Puja in his small house. Tulsidas Ramcharitmanas was
chanted and, during the arti, Yogi Ramsuratkumar's name. Then,
I brought him to some temple and asked him to deliver a speech
there. There also, I told him that we had to stay in touch and
work together. Once again, good resolutions were taken, but they
have never been implemented. By the way, this puja and Ramcharitmanas
chanting were recorded and I sent a copy of the video recording
to Bhagavan, to show him that we were together, Lee and me. I
was told that Yogiji watched the entire tape.
I am sure that Lee does a good job. He is doing 'Father's work'.
Does he not spread Yogiji's name? Did he not release a book such
as 'Under the Punnai Tree', following Yogiji's instructions,
even when he uses any book for projecting himself in an increcible
way? As Yogiji said : 'The messager is not important, the message
is important.' Is it not like this that the Vedas are still
preserved, even if nobody understands them nowadays? So, Yogiji's
name is spread .... Legends will disappear, the only truth will
remain.
I have met some of Lee's students and nearly all of them were
very nice. The first i met was Balaram, and i have a very good
'souvenir' that I have narrated in "Souvenir 1995".
These people were very dedicated to him. However, the relations
between Lee and i have always been distant, i know better why
now (smile). But i had to understand the deep reason of
this hatred towards me and, later, of his way of crushing me in
the back. I did not feel him deeply, certainly because of this
feeling towards me…. What i could say now, after having lived
in USA for more than one year, is that he is a typical American
spiritual teacher. I will never say a sage, because he is not,
as i am not either, but i will say a teacher. It is the American
way. Teaching spirituality is a 'profession', like teaching mathematics.
Lee is a 'spiritual teacher'. He makes a living with that, gets
money and fame. It is ok, it is like this in USA. It's all in
the mind. Americans are not aware of it, however it is like this...
Let me add that they are brought up in individualism and taught
to realize their 'ego' .. and get money and fame (laughter).
You know, we are just instruments … and you cannot say that
Yogiji does not find the instruments fitted to the time and the
location.
As for me, i think that the first reason of that distance between
us was due to this American individualism. This is not at all
personal to Lee, but to Americans in general (please note that
there are wonderful exceptions, obviously (Hilda, Will, Bret,
for instance). And, also, there is that American pride that makes
them think that they are the best, that they know everything,
and that other people are second class citizens. This has always
hurt me, and i saw this individualism in Tiruvannamalai, where
Lee's American students, and himself, were always moving in a
group, always together, never mixing with Indians or other people,
and looking at Indians as second class people and servants.
I liked Lee's poems, i read a lot of them before meeting with
him, in a booklet found at Sadhu Rangarajan's. Then, later, I
felt some difference between what i had read and his way to behave,
as i did not feel possible to love Yogiji in the way that could
be felt when reading the poems and, at the same time, to be so
distant with others than his students. But, ok, there must be
some reason that i don't know. Whatever, Lee is doing Father's
work and I feel that he is perfect for USA, where people look
for spirituality with their mind...
Now, the second thing that surprised me was to hear that he was
seen as a "realised soul". A lot of people blindly believed
that. I would be great! But in USA, in terms of spirituality,
common people are so young and naïve… but this is true
for most of Western countries.... And see, nowadays you can find
a lot of so-called gurus everywhere, and they even project themselves
as 'Sad-gurus', let us not forget that this is Kali yuga ... You
will always find people to follow... I remember another American
girl who came to Tiruvannamalai in 1997, giving darshans. Funny,
isn't it? Americans coming to India to give darshans (laughter).
She was a Papaji's (Punjaji) disciple, and she thought she was
'realised'. Please consider this sentence : 'she thought she was
realized" (smile). You know, what they have got is just some
sudden intellectual understanding, but this has to do with the
mind, not with the Atman. When she came at a darshan, Yogiji asked
her to come by His side on the platform and was very kind to her.
Then, suddenly, he called me and asked me to talk with her after
the darshan session... For sure she was shocked! This little guy
had to speak to her, to such a realized soul! Nice people, somehow
deluding themselves, but nice people. But ok again, everybody
is free to think whatever he wants. They think they are realised,
it's OK. They create a legend about themselves, it's ok. They
get fame and money, it's ok. Spirituality has become a big market
nowadays, a global market (laughter), so you will always
find naive people to follow them and sing their glory. You find
Evangelist speakers who got some fame with many followers, and
you find others who use something else. It has always been the
same. Remember, one hundred years ago, Swami Vivekananda - the
wisdom - on one side, and the Theosophists on the other side (basically
American and using Hindu tradition), their fight to be known and
the way they behave against him. So, there is nothing new under
the Sun, everything is ok. Everything is in order.
One day, i came to learn that M., an American student of Lee,
had left his 'master', so much he was disgusted. M. has lived
in Tiruvannamalai for some time, he was there for Lee's interests.
There he got almost daily darshan of Yogiji. Later he moved to
France and tried his best to spread Yogiji's name. It is at that
time that he left Lee. His master did everything afterwards for
denigrating him. I could not believe it. This is what he tells
me once again (nov. 2006) : "It was only a handful of
years ago when I decided to leave Lee as my teacher and fully
accept Bghwan as my master. One of the reasons I decided to do
this is because of some of these actions that Lee does and always
has done. When I took this act to leave him, being a double scorpio
that he is and not a master like he thinks he is, he did everything
in his power to stop me from going around France working with
people and bringing them to Yogi. As you know this brought much
heart pain number 1, then anger and tension. As I traveled around,
I spoke of all this injustice to different people. "
My God, these words are pretty hard! Lee did everything to prevent
him to bring people to Yogiji in France! How was it possible to
understand this???? I couldn't. By the time, i met another American
student of Lee. His name is B.. This man was and is a really wonderful
one, with such an heart, a great one! For him too, Lee was 'divine'.
He had begun to build a house in Tiruvannamalai very near Yogiji's
ashram. It was long to finish it, because of so many problems.
B. lived and still lives in Tiruvannamalai and not, as Lee, in
USA. After some time, so big his heart is, he offered his house
to Lee's "trust" or whatever the name, let us say 'Lee's
Hohm Community'. And you know what? This: some time later, this
wonderful B. was just thrown away from his own house! Useless
to tell you that, he also, left his 'American guru'. These two
men, both American, have lived in the contact with Yogi Ramsuratkumar,
and with time they have felt the difference between 'American
spirituality' and true wisdom. They just left Lee. In spite of
this, I can read a thing like this in a book written by some student
of Lee : "...This article highlight a speech given by
Lee Lozowick during the opening ceremony of Hohm community house,
newly constructed next to Yogi Ramsuratkumar ashram".
When you read this, knowing the truth, you smile .... It was B.'s
house …
These events made things more difficult for me to be close to
Lee…. As other things i said before…
Now, this year, the same B. who, like this Krishna, has married
a Hindu woman (maybe he too wanted a slave at home …). I
asked him if it was true that Lee said about me was true. He confirmed
and also told me that Lee hated me. I asked him why, and his answer
was the same as M.'s answer : "So simple, Krishna, because
Yogiji loved you so much! I have never seen any foreigner loved
by Yogiji the way he loved you!' - "But Yogiji loved everybody!"
So. B. told me exactly the same as M.
I had to understand why all these things…. I think I do
now, after this last trip. Lee was the only child of a Russian
Jewish family, and he was brought up in USA. This is a 'must'.
Everybody knows that any "only child" doesn't know what
brotherhood is, because he never had any brother neither any sister.
These children are alone and are seen as kings by their parents.
So, they grow with the feeling that they are better than the others,
that they are leaders, whatever. This is not at all their fault.
It is like this, and it must be very difficult to get rid of this,
to free oneself from this.
But this gives some light…. Let us take another example.
O., one of the three 'Italian sisters', received Yogiji's blessings
to write a book on Him. When the book was completed, the ashram
refused to publish it (this is another story). O. narrates in
her last email to P. (email that P. read me during this last trip)
that, once, she received an email from Hohm Press, saying that
they were ready to publish her book, provided that they could
add some things. Olga clearly refused. Following her refusal,
she writes that Hohm community sent her another email saying that
they had torn her book in pieces ….
You know that Mani's book has been published by Hohm Press. In
the same way they wanted to do with O.'s book, in this book of
Mani, they have added some things. An entire chapter appears on
Lee, chanting his glory, etc…. and in which you find the
absolute opposite of the truth, as i prove it somewhere else.
But so it is… You can find on this WEB site, about Lee's
ashram story, what Yogiji really said, as His words were recorded
on a tape (nobody knew about it, but so it is). You can also find
the real thoughts of Mani….
In Mani's book too, when he and myself were so close, Krishna
has nearly disappeared and he is just a 'Frenchman visiting'...
What is funny is that, in the book "Under the Punnai Tree",
published by Hohm Press too (meaning Lee's Press), we find exactly
the same in the mouth of Balaram when he narrates (in 2003) an
episode of 1993 : "a man visiting from France". It is
absolutely funny! Really funny! Lee has always done this, putting
down people that could put him a little bit in shade. When you
know that Yogiji was waiting for me, asking about my coming for
days, you feel that this is a really very strange behaviour....
There is also the episode of the videotape he has released, it
is the same.
Now, one is led to understand this: In the same way he was the
'only son' at home, Lee wants to be seen as the 'only son"
of Yogi Ramsuratkumar in the West. He wants to project himself
as so. He wants people to believe that he is His only son, his
only true Western disciple, that he only can speak in His name,
etc. etc. He wants to be recognized as such. For this he does
everything, never directly. M. was spreading Yogiji's name in
France, therefore M. had to be crushed. O. did not want a chapter
to be added in her book, aiming at the same goal, then O. had
to be crushed. Krishna had to be crushed first, because he was
the most embarrassing people. So, he was fouled. When they released
that videotape on Yogiji, they did everything possible to remove
Krishna from the tape. It was difficult, as at that time Yogiji
took me continuously by His side. For sure i don't care, only
Yogiji had to appear on the tape, even if, actually, it is not
so (smile). And all this in spite of Yogiji asking twice
Lee to visit Krishna, even in the far Mauritius!!! Then, not so
long ago, Lee went on saying another lie, saying that Yogiji did
not want any web site on Him, when i created the first website
when He was still among us and when i received His blessings.
Was it for making Krishna appear as wrong to people? What i said
on the web was a organic reaction after this last lie. Too much
was too much. You know, the beginning of Bhagavad Gita teaches
us to fight against adharma, even if it appears in our own family.
So, i did not fight against anybody, i fought against adharma,
let us be clear on this.
I just could not understand this behaviour. During this trip,
i have learnt that it has begun on the very first day by saying
horrible things on my unimportant person, this when they did not
know me at all! Yogiji wanted us to be in good terms, and i tried
my best, but it is clear that i failed… There is something
wrong, because it seems that i am not the only one and that even
in Tiruvannamalai ...
So, i just ask Lee this today: please, brother, stop this game.
Our Master was the embodiment of humility. Learn some please.
You are not the only son. They are plenty. Let each of them do
his work and spread Yogiji's name and glory. You have to remove
this idea from your mind, you have to free yourself from this
idea. You have to go beyond. You have brothers and sisters, you
are no more alone, you have to learn how to play with them, to
accept them as your equals, to respect them. You are one of them.
We might be happy to find others spreading our Master's Nama!
Brother, be happy for this, help them instead of fighting them
by giving them names, and you will find what is called Love.
Yogiji wanted us to be in good terms. He said that we are doing
Father's work. He sent you twice to me; do you think it was for
nothing? Brother, free your mind, go beyond it, or at least try
to do so. True spirituality begins only when one has cut one's
head. There, you will find "unity, harmony". There you
will find that "nothing is separated, nothing isolated."
Brother, let us work in harmony. As our Father said : "The
messengers are not important, the message is important."
Messengers are just instruments. It's ok if you get fame in being
an instrument for bringing people, at the level they are, to look
deeper in themselves. Simply, don't fight against your brothers
in this Western way of trying to put down some 'concurrence',
because for these brothers of yours, there is no 'concurrence'.
There is only Yogi Ramsuratkumar. Let us be all together, and
this togetherness is within you, in the same way we could see
in the pictures you sent me in 1995.
Q. : Is it true that Bhagavan said once that Lee was an Indian
saint?
K. : It seems to me that it was Pon Kamaraj who said this. But
let us say it is true. And i think it is the reason why Lee has
put his own photo in the same book his Hohm Press has released
on some great Indian sages… . You know, Yogiji said the same
about this stupid Krishna who, however, would never do the same.
And, even if he wanted, this stupid Krishna is in some ways like
his Father, he does not own any book house (laugther).
See, at the same time He told us we were saints, he was saying
that He was a dirty beggar and a dirty sinner (laughter).
See, let the one who is able to understand understand…. where
the saint is and where the dirty sinners are ….
Note : how to build a legend about oneself:
You can find examples of Lee's way to project himself while putting others down by clicking here. You will find about his expected ashram in Tiruvannamalai, the lies written in Mani's book. You will find also about the making of the videotape, about this day that Balaram narrates in his own fanciful way in the book "Under the Punnai Tree", and even what he believed about "the eternal slave Devaki" ....